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 Subject :Re:Why not 3 Ghz?.. 2011-02-19- 05:24:56 
W3JKS
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Forum : General
Topic : Why not 3 Ghz?

I have a pair of the Ubiquiti 3.3 GHz modems with their Router Board Pros which I am currently "playing with" as a backhaul transmission system for my mobile communications unit. There is another vendor "Xagyl", but I don't know if they are compatible. If I can get any kind of decent range/throughput with them, I'm planning on purchasing several more. It would be nice if hsmm-mesh software would support the RB Pro, as it supports three mini-PCI modems. I also have a couple of the 900 MHz modems, but the spectrum around here is pretty badly polluted in the 33cm band (who is using these pagers these days anyway? :-). 73, john W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3EDE/AAM3RE/AAA9SL
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 Subject :Lost passwords.. 2011-02-10- 15:47:27 
K4RJJ
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Topic : Lost passwords

I know from the Webinar how you guys hate when someone looses their password.  Well, I forgot mine on two of my 3 nodes.  Sorry to be a bother but maybe you can post the instructions here and that will end the discussion on it.

Thanks!

Ronny

K4RJJ

 

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 Subject :Let's build this in the Phila / Southern NJ area.. 2011-02-05- 15:28:19 
ka2zba
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Topic : Let's build this in the Phila / Southern NJ area

If you're in the Philadelphia / South Jersey region and want to run a node, please leave a note here.  Also helpful if you can introduce this idea to a local club.

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 Subject :Re:Thanks for an amazing project. How can I find out if there are nod.. 2011-02-01- 17:04:01 
NG5V
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Topic : Thanks for an amazing project. How can I find out if there are nodes in my region?

Subject :Re:Thanks for an amazing project. How can I find out if there are nodes in my region?

Done.
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 Subject :Re:Two questions on HSMM-MESH.. 2011-02-01- 02:45:30 
KO4ZE
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Topic : Two questions on HSMM-MESH

I am also curious if anyone has made measured latency tests.

Although I just found out about the HSMM-MESH project I have been working on a similar network in west Kentucky for a couple of years.  We are not running MESHing software yet but I am interested in doing so.  I teach in the Telecommunications Systems Management program at Murray State University and I have build the beginnings of a regional network as a way of providing lab experience for my students in my Intro to Wireless Technology course.  I also teach Intro to Telephone Technology and will follow with great interest the VoIP experiments here.

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 Subject :Thanks for an amazing project. How can I find out if there are nodes .. 2011-01-31- 17:41:50 
ka2zba
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Topic : Thanks for an amazing project. How can I find out if there are nodes in my region?

Subject :Thanks for an amazing project. How can I find out if there are nodes in my region?

Just as I was getting depressed that digital ham communications hadn't progressed from rs232 connected, 1200 baud, Z80 driven TNCs, I came across this project.  This is state-of-the-art high-speed digital communications with commodity hardware that is even forward looking to IPv6.  Thank you for bringing our hobby into the 21st century!

I'd like to connect a node in my region.  Can you please create a "philadelphia area" forum board?

btw, a handful of geographically oriented wiki pages could help hams organize nodes in their region and would be far easier to navigate than a growing list of forum boards created for this purpose.  I'm not very familiar with Joomla, but it looks like JWiki or DokuWiki ( http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/news-production/wiki-integration ) could fill this niche.

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 Subject :Re:Firmware 0.4.x incompatible with earlier versions.. 2011-01-30- 03:39:32 
NG5V
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Topic : Firmware 0.4.x incompatible with earlier versions

If you read through the release notes, the newer version of OLSR differs in function. This release also turns on OLSR security. The means that 0.4.1 firmware will talk to 0.4.x firmware as well as older firmware. The firmware versions prior to 0.4 don't use secure OLSR and won't be recognized by versions 0.4 and higher. As you have noted, the link layer happens but it pretty well stops there. Additionally, you will add quite a bit of value in hardware support if you modify code from the existing source code tree for new hardware instead of picking and choosing which items to place in a different source image. The current firmware evolved as a unit and is not accurately described as "openwrt with a few script changes". You loose quite a bit of function and any resulting product should NOT be called HSMM-MESH™. The name is trademarked and doing so is misuse of the trademark. We can certainly use your help but lots of questions have already been answered in the existing documentation. 73, Rick
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 Subject :HSMM-Mesh in the East Bay - Let's build this thing!.. 2011-01-28- 12:22:52 
K6JEB
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Forum : SFBay Area
Topic : HSMM-Mesh in the East Bay - Let's build this thing!

At PACIFICON 2010, I attended a talk given by Jason Spense, KG6RGF "Reviving the HSMM Hinternet" and came out of it really motivated to get into building some HSMM-MESH nodes.

Earlier this month, there was a terrific Webinar given by the very active HSMM group down in Texas.  Since then I've flashed a WRT54Gv2 with the 0.4.1 Firmware and I'm about to flash another one, which then, according to Arlo Guthrie, makes it a conspiracyCool

I've also picked-up four Ubiquiti Bullet 2HP's in hopes of being able to some day use them with this firmware, and until then, use them for a backbone or two.

If you're in the Bay Area, or for that matter, anywhere in the region, it would be great to hear from you, and maybe we can get this network built!  I'm also very interested in setting up portable and mobile nodes for experimentation. No doubt there are already a few of your probably quite a bit further along than I am.

How about linking some nodes up at SFBAY area clubs during Field Day??

By the way, have any of you thought about the fact that most of the time, with HSMM, we're operating at QRPp levels.  Make sure you mention that next time someone says "that's not ham radio."  I tell you this because I'm going to tell you something else:  "72" is what often QRPers say to one another in QSOs and correspondence; much the same way '73' is often used by hams in general.  Therefore:

72/73!!
Jack, K6JEB
http://www.k6jeb.com/

PS - Greetings to any folks from the W6BB Ham Club at the University of California, Berkeley!

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 Subject :Re:Can we get a Geographical Forum for the SFBay Area?.. 2011-01-27- 17:45:28 
NG5V
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Topic : Can we get a Geographical Forum for the SFBay Area?

New geographic forum added for the Bay Area.   Go for it.

NG5V, Rick

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 Subject :Two questions on HSMM-MESH.. 2011-01-27- 07:03:42 
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Topic : Two questions on HSMM-MESH

Hey There,

 

I'm a systems administrator (by career), and interested in networking/redundancy personally as well. I could never find alternative methods of linking up remote computers outside of using the internet, this is when I found out about packet radio, and amatuer radio in general, I'm (slowly) working towards my license..hopefully this summer. At first only networking over shortwave radio interested me, but it's really starting to grow on me.

 

Any how I read the whole HSMM-MESH site, and documents, and it REALLY intrigued me, especially the redundancy it provides, allowing people to still be connected regardless of internet, as well as having an excuse to setup linux mail/voip/file servers at home ;). Two questions I did have were: What kind of bandwidth is theoretically possible between nodes in the mesh, I know this is a question that can't be answered definitively as it depends on many variables, but I'm curious if it's 100kbit, 1mbit etc..

The other question I had was what are the typical distances you have seen between nodes? Another "it depends" answer I know, but would love to hear the distances anyone has gotten.

Thanks!

P.S. Anyone in the Ontario, Canada area?


EDI: I found the slideshow and read that, looks like 40KM range (best case) with dual 19dbi antennas. and speeds were listed too :)

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 Subject :Firmware 0.4.x incompatible with earlier versions.. 2011-01-27- 02:00:15 
KR4FM
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Forum : Firmware
Topic : Firmware 0.4.x incompatible with earlier versions

Thanks for the great work on the HSMM-MESH firmware.

I am trying to understand what makes the 0.4.0 and 0.4.1 firmware incompatible with the 0.3.3 and earlier firmware.  The 'firmware change log' indicates "updated to olsr 0.6.0 - firmware upgrade required, configuration not compatible with 0.3.3 or older firmware'

I ask because I have some Ubiquiti Pico-Station 2HPs, and Bullet M2HPs that are flashed with OpenWRT Kamikaze and Backfire images that used to work with the 0.3.3 firmware, and no longer work with the 0.4.1 firmware.  In addition, there are a number of members in my local club that will need to upgrade, if I upgrade the deployed images. (One is up a tower at 1,000 feet).

I have flashed a Bullet M2HP with Backfire 10.3.1 rc-2, and installed the 0.6.0 package for OLSRD, and the plugins.  I modified the OLSR configuration to contain the same parameters as the WRT54GL 0.4.1 configuration.  This communicates fine with the 0.3.3 HSMM-MESH firmware, as well as the 0.5.6 OLSRs on the other Kamikaze and Backfire images. It "sees" the 0.4.1 WRT54GL, but can not communicate with it (per HTTPINFO).

Multiple WRT54GLs flashed with HSMM-MESH 0.4.1 firmware work well with each other.

Can someone share with me the 'secret sauce' that causes the incompatibility between versions?

 

Quick addition:  If I disable 'LoadPlugin "olsrd_secure.so.0.5" in all versions of the routers, everything works fine.  So the incompatibility appears to be in the support of authenticating the OLSR nodes, between different versions, and different hardwares.  Interesting trivia.  With 'olsrd_secure.so.0.5' enabled, the two WRT54GLs running HSMM-MESH 0.4.1 talk to each other, and a WRT54GL running OpenWRT 8.09.1.  The two PicoStation2HPs can talk to each other, but none of the other routers.  The BulletM2HP won't talk with anyone.

For my purposes, I will just comment out the LoadPlugins.

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 Subject :Can we get a Geographical Forum for the SFBay Area?.. 2011-01-26- 16:18:43 
K6JEB
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Topic : Can we get a Geographical Forum for the SFBay Area?

Howdy,

We've got some folks interested in building-out the hsmm-mesh here in the Bay Area.  It would be nice to keep everything in one place so we can affect maximum visibility for the HSMM-MESH project as a whole, and in our particular regions.

What say?

73,

Jack, K6JEB

PS - I have 1 WRT54Gv2 with the latest HSMM-MESH firmware installed and running great (I've managed to gateway with no problem into my other WRT54Gv2 running as a plain old Internet Router . . . soon to be also dedicated as an HSMM-MESH node [I've got some Ubiquiti Bullet2HP's on the way as a replacement]).

 

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 Subject :PoE any good or bad thoughts?.. 2011-01-21- 04:37:11 
K4RJJ
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Forum : Hardware
Topic : PoE any good or bad thoughts?

Are there any bad brands out there?  Does anyone make one that has Powerpoles built in?

What brand is everyone using?  I want to buy about 3 sets that will work on very long ethernet runs.

Thanks!

Ronny

K4RJJ

 

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 Subject :SUCCESS!.. 2011-01-21- 04:26:55 
K4RJJ
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Topic : SUCCESS!

Ordered 2 64GLs from Amazon.  They both flashed and configured perfectly as I knew they would!

Can't wait till my pigtails get here so I can install one at the house and one in the van. 

More to come.  I plan to show this off at our club meeting next week.

Thanksagain!

K4RJJ

Ronny

Anyone in GA besides me doing this?  Lets get together and build some backbones.

 

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 Subject :Re:getting started into network... 2011-01-21- 02:50:41 
K5KFH
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Thanks for the info, I will be looking much deeper into this line of communication. My shack is currently being re-built, I have an ICOM 751 for HF, currently I have only listened with it, because I have not had a good antenna. I also use a Yasue 7100 & an FT 60. When I pull my shack together, I plan on being able to commuicate on or off the grid. I have only been a ham for about 3 years and I am "just starting" to get to learn all the technology that's available. I am looking to purchase some equipment to finish out my shack; a good antenna or two & a good base station VHF, UHF. I am also interested in MW applications. I could use some help setting up & programming once the shack is finished. What are the recommendations for a good all around HF antenna (money IS an issue, and other add ons for HF, VHF, UHF? K5KFH
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 Subject :Digital Tuesday.. 2011-01-20- 20:01:37 
ae5ae
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Location: Van Alstyne, TX
Forum : Plano
Topic : Digital Tuesday

Kip Moravec, AE5IB, is putting together a 'Digital Tuesday' meeting in the Plano area of North Texas. The idea is to be have a gathering similar to the Digital Wednesday that the Austin Development group holds.  While WiFi will probably be our main interest we'd be happy to divert to other things like packet, WinLink, APRS, and maybe even some HF digital modes.  Who knows!!?

If you'd be interested in attending please email Kip at kip@kdream.com or me, Rusty, at kd4wlz@gmail.com.

More details available as we make them up! :-)

-Rusty-

P. S.  Current thinking is that we'll be meeting more than once a month.

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 Subject :Re:Why not 3 Ghz?.. 2011-01-20- 19:19:33 
ae5ae
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Topic : Why not 3 Ghz?

Yeah, but there's nothing like getting "stuck" with using equipment from only one manufacturer with limited availability, is there??? :-)
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 Subject :Re:getting started into network... 2011-01-20- 19:13:43 
ae5ae
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Topic : getting started into network.

Welcome!

Probably the best gear is the Linksys/Cisco WRT54GL (note the L) wireless router.  The older versions of the WRT54G and 'GS will work too, versions 1.x thru 4.x that is. The newer versions do not have the amounts of RAM nor FLASH memories to load our version of the OpenWRT firmware.

Another thing to do is to go wandering through this website, reading and soaking up all you can. The more you know about TCP/IP networking the better. If you don't even the "TCP/IP for Dummies" would be a good started book!

Oh yeah.... we like to have fun around here so get used to it! :-)

73

-Rusty-

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 Subject :getting started into network... 2011-01-20- 15:18:06 
K5KFH
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I just heard about this network,  Way Cool, I like it.  I know very little about this subject but plan to learn more.  Anyone out there who can help me set up with the right gear? K5KFH.

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 Subject :Re:Webinar was great!.. 2011-01-14- 08:15:44 
K6JEB
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Topic : Webinar was great!

Thanks for the explanation for bridging the two routers!

I've been hoping to create some buzz around this here at UC Berkeley's W6BB.  We've got some hams that are some real networking wizards so I think we'll get this figured-out.

Looking forward to showing some others what all the excitement is about.  :)

73!

Jack, K6JEB

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