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 Subject :can i used ubiquiti equiment?.. 2011-03-17- 13:13:20 
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 Subject :Re:Firmware 0.4.x incompatible with earlier versions.. 2011-03-16- 13:11:56 
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Topic : Firmware 0.4.x incompatible with earlier versions

Also note that Bullets are Atheros-based chipset.  A big problem lies also with the secure plugin for OLSR in that it has some problems with the data that it sends out.  Multi-byte elements of the data (integers, longs, and the like) that is sent out are in the byte-ordering of the CPU and not in the proper "network byte ordering".   Unfortunately, Atheros-based chipsets use a byte ordering that is different from the ordering used by the Broadcom chipset and even though valid data is sent out, routers using a different chipset will see it as invalid.

My port to an Atheros-based AirLink101 router was working just fine once the secure plugin was disabled.

I s'pose I'll start looking at modifying the source code for that plugin.  Even though we might not get these mods into the official release of OLSR we can get the Broadcom-based WRT54G to send out "properly" oriented data...  The Atheros routers use a byte-ordering that's just like the "network byte ordering" so they really won't need to be modified.

-Rusty-

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 Subject :Re:0.4.1. PROBLEMS.. 2011-03-16- 11:00:11 
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Bill,
Your data got wiped out, plain and simple. The way upgrades are done is to blast
an image of the root filesystem directly into flash memory, not dealing with individual
files.

If you're concerned about your data then save off your /etc/config/* files to another
host before doing an upgrade. Oh, and don't go blindly blasting your config files back
because some defaults setting may change between versions.

BTW, any chance we can get you to not "YELL" on the subject lines? Thanks!

-Rusty-

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 Subject :Re:No Internet Access.. 2011-03-16- 09:10:11 
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In the FAQ section under software there is a description of using TFTP to load Linksys firmware. This involves using a host PC capable of running TFTP and quickly starting the download right after a hard reset (hit the reset button on the back of the router). For a few seconds after boot, the router will listen for a fw update coming in in TFTP protocol. You only have a few seconds to start the fw send on the host PC. If you miss the window, the router continues to boot. You have to reboot and try again and be quick. This method could use firmware from Linksys. The second method describes pulling a copy of the factory firmware off a site we support. You say you used Linksys firmware. If you did, you are not using the second technique described in the FAQ. If you use this second mode, you pick firmware off a list on a site we support - you do not pull the fw down from Linksys. If you simply tried to load a copy of firmware downloaded from Linksys into the fw load option in HSMM-MESH firmware you are not following the instructions correctly and the attempt to load firmware will fail. The problem is that Linksys has different format binary files for different routers, and we have worked out a system that uses the same type of binary file for all fw loads. It is silly to have different version of the same router have different file formats. It also causes problems for those that stick with HSMM-MESH. Once you chose to stay with HSMM-MESH you never have to be bothered with worrying about what binary format the fw file is in. All versions of the router use 1 file for update. This is why we made the change. I have tried both methods described in the FAQ and they work. I hope you can get the firmware you want back into your router without too much trouble. It is possible, I assure you. -Glenn KD5MFW
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 Subject :Re:No Internet Access.. 2011-03-16- 08:42:48 
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Tried that, using firmware downloaded from the Linksys website. Got the following error message: Firmware CANNOT be updated. the uploaded file is not recognized. Bill
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 Subject :Re:No Internet Access.. 2011-03-16- 07:21:23 
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You can reload the factory firmware. See the FAQ section here: -Glenn
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 Subject :Re:No Internet Access.. 2011-03-16- 02:14:01 
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Hi, Glenn: Thanks your your thoughtful response, which is indeed very helpful. Somehow, I had it in my head that HSMM-MESH was similar to OPEN-MESH with respect to its ability to "daisy-chain" to another router. I'm now trying to back out of HSMM-MESH in order to try DD-WRT or something similar, but the router won't accept the upload of the alternative firmware. Is HSMM-MESH a one-way trip, or can the original Linksys firmware (for example) be reloaded? Thanks, Bill W2ET
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 Subject :Re:No Internet Access.. 2011-03-15- 09:00:13 
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It sounds like you expect to link to a mesh node like you link to a normal Wi-Fi Access Point. A WRT54G loaded with HSMM-MESH firmware and operating as a mess node, is not an Access Point.

A mesh node is not an AP.  They talk different protocols.

An Access Point communicates with a normal Wi-Fi equipped laptop PC, for example in Infrastructure mode. This is a very specific protocol. HSMM-MESH nodes communicate using OLSR protocol, which is very different.

At the very lowest level you can get a RF link from your windows laptop Wi-Fi device, but since you are not talking OLSR mesh protocol, you do not pass useful data.

A mesh node is not an Access Point. They are very different. When you changed the firmware, you changed the operation of the radio in the WRT54G. HSMM-MESH mesh nodes only talk to like configured mesh nodes. Common Wi-Fi Access Points are very different.

 

You need a minimum of 2 mesh nodes to pass mesh data. You plug in your PC to one of the wired LAN ports on the back of a mesh node, and you can talk to devices on the LA N ports of another mesh node, if properly configured. So when properly set up, 2 mesh nodes effectively take the place of a long CAT-5 cable.

What is going out the RF side of the mesh nodes, is a very different protocol than what your normal Wi-Fi devices use, and you should not expect to directly link common Wi-Fi devices to the RF side of a mesh node.

You might want to compare a Wi-Fi Access Point running Infrastructure protocol and a mesh node running OLSR mesh protocol to see how the systems differ.

I hope this is helpful.

-Glenn

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 Subject :No Internet Access.. 2011-03-15- 07:42:07 
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I just set up a WRT54GL as a mesh node, using hsmm-mesh-0.4.1-wrt54g.bin.  I see HSMM-MESH listed among the wireless networks.  It's described as an "On Demand" unsecured computer-to-computer network.  The AP is shown as an unsecured wireless network.

I can connect to HSMM-MESH, but have no Internet access!  Attempts to ping the AP router result in a ""destination host unreachable" error message.

Connecting to the AP works fine.

A wired connection to the MESH router doesn't work either.

What did I miss?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.

The techies in our club are really excited about getting this up and running, and at least one other fellow seems to have exactly the same problem.

 

Bill  W2ET

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 Subject :Re:Why not 70cm?.. 2011-03-12- 07:32:22 
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It may be too late to start using 440MHz. The government is contemplating selling off the frequencies to help fund the 700MHz public safety spectrum. Here's a few links:

You may recall that there's a company called ReconRobotics that has some small robots which can be thrown into an area and then can moved around remotely to provide video. IIRC, they and ARRL are already in a tussle over the 70cm band.

Looks like these robots are already being used in the Austin area: Williamson County and Leander.

Kinda makes me wonder who ReconRobotics paid off to get the 70cm band on the docket for a future auction.

So, buy your 440MHz mPCI cards now, because soon you may not be able to.

If the 70cm band follows the 1.25m band, I wonder what other ham bands will soon follow? 3.3GHz? 10GHz?

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 Subject :Why not 70cm?.. 2011-03-08- 17:44:14 
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I have had my eye on a Xagyl product for about a year.  It is capable of HSMM in our 70 cm band.

That has seemed to have been stalled due to the fact their are not sure of the size of the market.

Recently I have been in contact with the manufacture, Doodle Labs and am buying a pair in the upcoming weeks.

You can expect to read more after I have a pair.

http://kb9mwr.blogspot.com/2011/03/hsmm-420-430-mhz.html


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 Subject :HERES HOW WE GOT OUT APPLICATIONS UP AND RUNNING ON HSMM-MESH.. 2011-03-08- 12:09:38 
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HOW DID WE GET OUR APPLICATIONS INSTALLED ON A MESH
NETWORK.
GETTING STARTED WITH THE HARDWARE
We started with 2 new Linksys WRT54GL routers and loaded the HSMM-MESH 3.2 software per
their instructions on each.
We attached 1 Laptop computer running Windows XP Home and 1 Running Windows XP Media
Center software to one router only. We obtained several IP addresses and wrote them down.
First the IP address of the MESH routers in the format 10.xxx.xxx.xxx, and these came from the
routers using a browser and the address 172.27.0.1 which brought up the routers set-up page.
We easily found the routers new IP address from those set-up pages, Secondly the address of
each of the attached laptop machines issued by the routers LAN DHCP in the format
172.27.xxx.xxx was found by going into the DOS prompt and running IPCONFIG on each. You
can also find this by looking at the network connections page on each machine. We recorded
the names of the two computers from the Control Panel >System>Computer Name screen on
each.


Here are the applications we plan to run on our server
FTP Server
HTTP/web Server
E-Mail Server
3CX PBX Server

Here are the major applications running on our client machines
FTP client
Internet Explorer
Outlook Express
3CX Phone
Netmeeting


We turned off all firewalls on all the computers to simplify our tasks as has been recommended by others.


THE FTP SERVER
We decided to start our testing with the simplest piece of software we could find, and we
guessed that a simple FTP server would be the simplest.
We obtained an open software free copy of 3com’s, FTP software and set up an FTP
Damon/Server on one of the machines. We also set up FTP clients on the other machine. Now
recognize that these machines are on the same LAN and have different LAN addresses. Lets call
them 172.27.0.100 and 172.27.0.130. 172.27.0.130 is the machine that we loaded the
Damon/server software. We configured the 172.27.0.100 machine to use and connect to
172.27.0.130 and since they use port 20 AND 21 to send and receive messages, and since we
were outside the firewall on the router, we did not have to port forward anything to anywhere.
We told 127.27.0.100 to connect to 127.27.0.130. As soon as we told it to connect, it did and
we had an FTP link from 172.27.0.100 to 172.27.0.130 and could move files and folders in either
direction. We also moved some files into a shared folder on our Damon/server so that any
machine on the network could come and download it. Why we did this will become evident in
a minute when we go from one computer to a router, then to another router trying to get to
another machine that has what we want.
Now we took a third machine and attached it to the second router. We obtained the applicable
10.xxx.xxx.xxx and 172.27.xxx.xxx address as before for this router and client machine. We
installed our FTP Client software on this machine. We then went to our first router
(10.48.63.183) and Port forwarded port 20 and 21 (FTP uses these ports) to 172.27.0.130 (this is
the machine that was running our FTP Damon/server) . Now we told our client machine
attached to the second router to connect to 10.48.63.183 and off it went and connected to our
172.27.0.130 machine (remember we port forwarded ports 20 and 21 to this machine).
Effectively, our third machine got onto the MESH and told everyone that it wanted to send a
message to 10.48.63.183 and use ports 20 and 21 to send the message through. When the
message was delivered to 10.48.63.183 it sent it out on port 21 to 172.27.0.130 over ports 20
and 21 and 172.27.0.130 was listening on port 20 or 21 and received the message. Now
10.48.63.130 is known as the NCC-KC0TGY machine and 10.48.66.36 is known as SPARE-1-
KC0TGY. ( It absolutely makes no difference which comes first the name of the router or the
Ham call sign and I prefer this arrangement.) These names can be substituted for the IP
Addresses whenever you figure you know that it really is working and the DNS facility of the
routers translates the names to ip addresses and gets the messages to the appropriate places
just as fast and accurately. Now everyone knows, (originally I didn’t but it is true), you cannot
send a message to a machine that has not asked for something to be sent to it that is behind a
firewall. This is what firewalls do. They stop unsolicatated messages from coming into your
computer unless you asked someone to send you that information. Going out is OK….. So what
does this really mean? Remember I said we put a shared folder on the machine that has our
FTP Damon/server running on it? That was so one machine can place (upload) a file or folder
onto the FTP server machine, and another machine, far across the mesh can come along and
download it for its use. In fact, a lot of machines can come along and download that file. This is
the way we intend to keep our e-mail and telephone number listings up to date. We will put
the updated files and folders on the FTP machine in a shared folder and everyone will come
along and download it to their desktops, replacing whatever was there and thereby updating
their e-mail and telephone number files.


THE HTTP/WEB SERVER
The process of loading up the HTTP/WEB Server was done the same way. We installed IIS (a
Windows service available on Windows XP Media Center and Windows XP Professional) on our
Windows XP Media Center Machine, and configured it. This was on the 172.27.0.130 server
machine which was on the NCC-KC0TGY node. Everything was easy from here. Our browsers
on our client machines were configured to use 172.27.0.100:90/index.html for the machine on
the same LAN as the 172.27.0.130 server and 10.48.63.183:90/index.html (on the client
machine on the LAN on the 10.48.66.36 node) (port 90 was used because the HSMM-MESH™
nodes use port 80 for their HTTP Set-up web pages) as the home pages of the browsers and off
we went with web pages appearing from 172.27.0.130:90/index.html or
10.48.63.183:90/index.html.


THE E-MAIL SERVER
We used the Mailenable free e-mail software and loaded the e-mail server on our server
machine i.e. 172.27.0.130 on the 10.48.63.183 node. For the client machine on this LAN we set
the e-mail address to access the 172.27.0.130 machine as the server. We port forwarded port
25 to the 172.27.1.130 server machine. On the client machine we set the address to the
10.48.66.36 node and it sent the message out thru port 25 to our 172.27.0.130 server,


THE VOIP (TELEPHONE PBX) SERVER
We used the 3CX free VoIP software from 3CX and loaded the server on our server
172.27.0.130 on the 10.48.63.183 node. Now we know that this free software will only allow
four concurrent telephone calls and is only for demonstration purposes, but this is enough for
our demo project. For the client machine on this LAN we set the telephone number to access
the 172.27.0.130 as the server. We port forwarded port 5060 and 5090 to the 172.27.1.130
client machine on our 10.48.63.183 node, so that the client machine 172.27.0.55 on node
10.48.66.36 can find its way to the appropriate server. We aimed these none local routers to
10.48.66.36, and everything worked well.

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 Subject :Re:UDP Port Question.. 2011-03-08- 11:59:40 
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Are you sure ver. 0.3.3 handles UDP ports. I do not think that feature came out until 0.4.0 or 0.4.1 recently.
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 Subject :NO PROBLEM WITH VOIP RUNNING UNDER HSMM-MESH.. 2011-03-08- 11:55:42 
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We are having no problem running the Windows XP/Win7 3CX VOIP/PBX application.  We have been running this application over 0.3.2 HSMM-MESH for the past year and just have had no problems.  Because of the 0.3.2 version, we had to tunnel through the HSMM-MESH but it was easy to do and worked perfectly.

I have commissioned an Linux programmer to do an Asterik system for grins and will let you know when I can demonstrate it in the future.

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 Subject :0.4.1. PROBLEMS.. 2011-03-08- 11:47:32 
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Where did the Port forwarding and Static DHCP data go when I updated from 0.3.2. to 0.4.1?  Nowhere did I see information that these would disapprear in the change logs.  I run an ECOM network with 6 routers and 20 client machines, and one server.  We run a web server, an FTP server, a Voip server, an e-mail server, and Net Meeting for white board and video conferencing.  our Voip server now also have person to person video if we want to implement it.  These applications require a number of ports be opened on the router servicing the server.  Her is our list of ports that we have to open under 0.3.2 and we expect more as we venture into video meetings and really get Net meeting working right.  We also had a number of static DHCP entries that also disappeared  Where is the spell checker on these posting screens?

Port Forwarding

Interface

Outside
Port

IP Address

Inside
Port


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 Subject :Re:2.3GHz band plan.. 2011-03-03- 16:41:19 
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I wouldn't worry about it very much. Most of that is mere gentleman's agreements. In my opinion it not the ARRL band plan that gets in the way, it's the ARRL. Back in 2009 it appeared like there was some microwave band-planning going on with the league. http://kb9mwr.blogspot.com/2009/07/bandplans-900-mhz-and-above.html As far as I can tell that is dead in the water. Just do your best to monitor the band for other possible ham use. My theory is typically there is so little use 900 and above, that if you want to do something that might be unsanctioned, it still is the best thing you can do!
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 Subject :Re:Re:Why not 3 Ghz?.. 2011-03-03- 06:56:26 
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Unfortunately, both devices are manufactured using Unobtainium. 





[N0FPF 02-03-2011 15:51:22]:

Yes..I was thinking about the M3 or the Rocket M3. The price is better than just the card and it is plug and play.
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 Subject :Re:Why not 3 Ghz?.. 2011-03-02- 15:51:22 
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Yes..I was thinking about the M3 or the Rocket M3. The price is better than just the card and it is plug and play.
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 Subject :Re:ubiquiti picostation 2.. 2011-02-28- 19:45:20 
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Since it isn't obvious on the openwrt website: if you want to install openwrt on a pico m2-hp, use the bullet m image available here: http://downloads.openwrt.org/backfire/10.03.1-rc4/ar71xx/openwrt-ar71xx-ubnt-bullet-m-squashfs-factory.bin. This is *not* hsmm-mesh firmware.
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 Subject :Re:Why not 3 Ghz?.. 2011-02-25- 17:47:54 
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Unfortunately, the ubiquiti nanostation 3 is not available (or legal) for sale in the US. It is an export item. Of course, a foreign ham could always use it. Ubiquiti has several 3GHz products (XR3 mini PCI card: $200; rocket M3: $190; nanostation M3: $170), but as you can see, the price to play is higher than $25. ;)
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