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Subject :Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-04- 17:45:39
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Search eBay for "ubiquiti passive poe" and you'll find an inexpensive DC injector <$5. I use it successfully to power a roof-mounted Bullet installation (Conrad, KG6JEI mentioned it earlier in this thread). I've attached a photo. You'll see the CAT5 cable that connects data and power into the Bullet. The antenna is attached directly via the 90 degree adapter provided with the Bullet. This happens to be the Titanium version which I paid $114 for, but I could just as easily have used the plastic-cased version which sells for $74. Andre, K6AH
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Subject :Re:Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-05- 03:29:53
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Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, everyone. That is what I have been looking for. I actually saw the Chinese DC-DC POE before, but was kind of suspicious of them. |
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Subject :Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-05- 03:41:56
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Yep, I was too, but I decided to spend the few buck and try them. They work fine for my needs. They probably don't support Gigabit Ethernet (which you would need if the UBNT devices jump to the 40 MHz-wide channel (110 Mbps)... which they will do under the right conditions).
Anyway, there's a domestic importer who resells them. I think I decided to buy from him rather than chance the Chinese-direct connection. I hear your concern about letting the smoke out of these devices. I would always verify the correct power polarity is on the correct pins before plugging it in.
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Subject :Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-05- 06:04:27
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Yep, always wise to verify polarity before attaching a device just to be on the safe side. All these POE injectors are is a power inlet, with traces to the correct pins to feed power up the line. Nothing fancy at all, no electronics in them usually just traces and an inline LED and current limiting resistor at most.
10/100 is all these type of injectors but that is also what the ethernet ports on these devices are, 10/100. Gigabit ethernet speed isn't a concern with the vast majority of the Ubiquiti gear unless you start talking about AirFibre line. Passive POE is actually restricted to 10/100. In Gigabit the 4 extra wires that passive POE uses are actually used as part of the datastream and you have to start supporting a more active power delivery options.
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Subject :Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-05- 11:32:26
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Please don't call the "passive" power over cat5 adapters "Power over Ethernet" or PoE.
PoE/Power over Ethernet is a specific standard requiring different voltages and active handshaking and power management. Calling these pseudo PoE adapters "PoE or Power over Ethernet" will confuse people and lead to damaged equipment or at least non-functional setups. Real PoE has protection built in to not put voltage on the cables until after it handshakes with the device on the other end and finds out the device can handle it.
Even if YOU know what you're talking about when you misuse the term, the people who aren't already experts don't need to confused by wrong terminology. This stuff is already confusing for the newbies as is. For that matter, be careful using these pseudo PoE connectors in a site where someone other than you might be working on the wiring or equipment. That's a bit like putting 220V on a 110V wall jack.
[KG6JEI 2014-05-05- 06:04:27]: Yep, always wise to verify polarity before attaching a device just to be on the safe side. All these POE injectors are is a power inlet, with traces to the correct pins to feed power up the line. Nothing fancy at all, no electronics in them usually just traces and an inline LED and current limiting resistor at most.
10/100 is all these type of injectors but that is also what the ethernet ports on these devices are, 10/100. Gigabit ethernet speed isn't a concern with the vast majority of the Ubiquiti gear unless you start talking about AirFibre line. Passive POE is actually restricted to 10/100. In Gigabit the 4 extra wires that passive POE uses are actually used as part of the datastream and you have to start supporting a more active power delivery options.
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Subject :Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-05- 12:06:00
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You can do a Google search for "802.3 af" and get the IEEE standard. It works, it is standard and it came after years of non standard power connections run over CAT-5 type cables. Most hams don't use it because all the fancy features cost money to implement. It does check that a device is a standard 802.3 af device before supplying power down the cable. If the device is too stupid to reply it gets no power. It is very easy to destroy equipment when using non standard power links up CAT-5 signal cables. If you work with others it is super easy to destroy equipment by not having appropriate power where expected. There is the 802.3 af standard and many other ways to send power up data cables. Google is your friend. You can have answers in seconds without having to bother anyone. -Glenn KD5MFW |
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Subject :Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-09- 07:18:15
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Subject :Re:Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-09- 20:25:36
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Subject :Re:Re:Success/Failure for Different Router Models..
2014-05-10- 08:41:06
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Thanks for the links. I used the Search field to look and it didn't bring back anything. |
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Subject :Search Function..
2014-05-11- 23:33:02
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wx5u |
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Search doesn't seem to search the forums. Use Google advanced search instead.
[kb9zmr 2014-05-10- 08:41:06]: Thanks for the links. I used the Search field to look and it didn't bring back anything. |
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